Curse

synbios_kun · Oct 01, 2011, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Elnino · Oct 01, 2011, 05:54 AM // 05:54

Ashu survived the Jade Wind????????? What??????? That was hundreds of years ago.

He survived the afflicted's assault on Tahnnakai Temple.

synbios_kun · Oct 01, 2011, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by Elnino

Ashu survived the Jade Wind????????? What??????? That was hundreds of years ago.

He survived the afflicted's assault on Tahnnakai Temple.

Dangit, I got that wrong. Oh well, amending initial post.

Konig Des Todes · Oct 01, 2011, 04:05 PM // 16:05

There are some Ministry of Purity who show that they have their own thoughts, but are caught up in Reiko's momentum and enthusiasm, so you definably have the reason of the masks wrong. Firstly, Zei lets the heroes go twice and there is an "encounter" (e.g., a one-time showing dialogue between a small group of NPCs) which shows a female MoP who is becoming afraid of the MoP's movements. They are definably in control of their own bodies - influenced, however, I wouldn't know.

Also, how could Ashu be influenced/twisted by the Jade Wind's power when he was only a survivor of a slaughter by Afflicted? There were other survivors elsewhere of the plague (everyone alive), just not as promiscuous as Ashu was the "sole survivor" of those killed in Tahnnakai Temple.

Plus, Miku also survived that (unknown to 99% of Canthans), so she would be warped too if the event itself is what changed Ashu.

Now, Ashu suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, I can see. But still, I don't think he could influence Reiko that much.

Slowpokeking · Oct 01, 2011, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

There are some Ministry of Purity who show that they have their own thoughts, but are caught up in Reiko's momentum and enthusiasm, so you definably have the reason of the masks wrong. Firstly, Zei lets the heroes go twice and there is an "encounter" (e.g., a one-time showing dialogue between a small group of NPCs) which shows a female MoP who is becoming afraid of the MoP's movements. They are definably in control of their own bodies - influenced, however, I wouldn't know.

Also, how could Ashu be influenced/twisted by the Jade Wind's power when he was only a survivor of a slaughter by Afflicted? There were other survivors elsewhere of the plague (everyone alive), just not as promiscuous as Ashu was the "sole survivor" of those killed in Tahnnakai Temple.

Plus, Miku also survived that (unknown to 99% of Canthans), so she would be warped too if the event itself is what changed Ashu.

Now, Ashu suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, I can see. But still, I don't think he could influence Reiko that much.

I don't think Ministry of Purity are being mind controlled by spell. They are just "brainwashed" by Reiko's ideas after the diaster of Shiro Tagachi.

Konig Des Todes · Oct 01, 2011, 07:34 PM // 19:34

At least not all MoP are mind-controlled. But some very well may be - like Ashu - and she's keeping Miku away because she's a threat to the "Survivor" of the Purity.

Slowpokeking · Oct 01, 2011, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

At least not all MoP are mind-controlled. But some very well may be - like Ashu - and she's keeping Miku away because she's a threat to the "Survivor" of the Purity.

Well he's just a little boy who had great fear due to the plague and Miku's action, I think it's easy to "brainwash" him by telling him lies without using spells.

The 8th · Oct 02, 2011, 12:27 AM // 00:27

I had an even stranger theory begin to rattle around my head. What if Ashu is the future Emperor Usoku? It says Usoku is Kisu's succesor, it never says he's his son.

Konig Des Todes · Oct 02, 2011, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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This means that although the throne has not always passed directly from father to son, it has always gone to one of royal blood—at most, a first cousin (as seen in several well-documented cases).

From An Empire Divided. While possible, I do not see Canthans breaking tradition while keeping an emperor (especially with how the MoP are making their goals to sound - seems they are/will be want(ing) more of a republic and a complete cleansing of the Celestial Ministry and imperial aspects), especially when Usoku takes reign in 1127 AE, which is 28 years after Winds of Change - meaning that Ashu would be about 30-some when he would become emperor.

Though if one were to play around with words, one could use that date for when Usoku finished his campaigns of xenophobic isolationism, rather than when he took reign. Likewise, the Movement of the World has already been ret-con'd...

I do not think Usoku to be Kisu's son, as there's never mention of a son, let alone wives or concubines, with Kisu, but he may be a close-blooded relative. Likewise, I do not seeing it to be Ashu because the Yuuddachi family doesn't even seem to be nobles, let alone relatives of the throne - they were just the family of the Sai Ling Order's (now former) head.

I have a feeling that Reiko and the Ministry of Purity will be thwarted in the long run. I hold firm to my belief that Reisen of the Jade Brotherhood will team up with the PC in part 3 - both of his survivals are just too obvious that he'll hold a stronger role later on - and I'm beginning to believe that the Am Fah will join with the Jade Brotherhood, at least for a time, much like the Luxons and Kurzicks with Shiro as during the quests in Winds of Change, they seem very compliant to work together to fight either the PC, Imperial Guard, or the Ministry of Purity.

My bet is that Reiko will fall and the Ministry of Purity will be no more, but first their bloodthirsty-ness will both be shown to the people and they will remember this as a time of piece before the gangs (and perhaps Tengu) bring back some bloodshed. That, and Kisu's broken-ness, is what Usoku will use to unite the Canthans and build up his military to such huge heights for his acts.

synbios_kun · Oct 02, 2011, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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My bet is that Reiko will fall and the Ministry of Purity will be no more, but first their bloodthirsty-ness will both be shown to the people and they will remember this as a time of piece before the gangs (and perhaps Tengu) bring back some bloodshed. That, and Kisu's broken-ness, is what Usoku will use to unite the Canthans and build up his military to such huge heights for his acts.

Now that you mention it...whatever happened to Kisu? My only distinct memory of him was doing a warrior dance after you kill Shiro(again). As for a direct hand in the events of WoC, I hope part 3 will involve the emperor again.

Konig Des Todes · Oct 02, 2011, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Canthan Peasant: "Things lately have been worse than ever. How can the emperor just stand by and let this happen to us?"

Canthan Peasant: "Perhaps...the emperor is not as strong as he once was. he hasn't been quite the same since the death of his half brother, Togo."

Canthan Peasant: "All of us have lost something, and have needed to find the strength to carry on. The emperor, more than any of us, needs to have that strength. If he doesn't, then there is still a lot left for him to lose."

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Winds...-_More_to_lose

synbios_kun · Oct 03, 2011, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Winds...-_More_to_lose

Ah, that, I know. What I meant is an actual questline involving your characters meeting the emperor again.

Konig Des Todes · Oct 03, 2011, 04:41 AM // 04:41

There is none. Nothing of Kisu has been heard of, except that he remains in Raisu Palace.

synbios_kun · Oct 03, 2011, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Which is why I said that I hope that we get to meet him again in a future WoC questline.

Thorfinnr · Oct 05, 2011, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

That, and Kisu's broken-ness, is what Usoku will use to unite the Canthans and build up his military to such huge heights for his acts.

Hey Konig, maybe I missed it in the Lore on the wiki, but I thought The MoP was still active when Usoku came to power and they were a main force used to drive the Tengu out of Cantha before Usoku set up the blockade...or am I confusing stories...at work and can't look up stuff on wiki atm...

Thanks for clarifying...

Konig Des Todes · Oct 05, 2011, 09:11 PM // 21:11

Usoku has only been mentioned during the Movement of the World.

The Ministry of Purity has only been told through Winds of Change.

The outcome of the MoP at the end of the Winds of Change chapter is unknown, their relation to Usoku - if any - is unknown.

Usoku had spent millions to increase the military, but nothing about the Ministry of Purity was ever said.

You may be thinking the Celestial Ministry.

Slowpokeking · Oct 06, 2011, 05:12 AM // 05:12

Maybe he's using us to cleanse all the opposing forces, including MoP, since his successor later unified Cathan.

Swingline · Oct 07, 2011, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Maybe Kisu is dead, Killed by Reiko somehow? We just won't find out till the very end. I find it hard to believe he would ignore the MoP's genocidal tendencies while he played a part in Shiro's return.

Thorfinnr · Oct 07, 2011, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

You may be thinking the Celestial Ministry.

I believe you are correct, confused the 2 trying to go from memory. Thanks.

Laylat · Oct 07, 2011, 07:39 PM // 19:39

I don't know about anyone else, but I have just finished the second part and the story so far reminds me of Final Fantasy XIII...